Interview: Judy Gross from LightHeart Gear

A while ago I stumbled upon LightHeart Gear who makes a very innovative shelter. I contacted Judy, the woman behind the cottage, and she agreed to take part in the interview. It is the first woman who run's a UL cottage, so read on to find out how Judy came up with the concept for the tent and where LightHeart Gear is headed!


Judy entering the Great Smoky Mountain National park, in 2006 - and still carrying that 4 1/2 lb tent!

Judy, please briefly introduce yourself and tell us who you are. Since when are you backpacking, and how did you start? How often are you out backpacking nowadays?

Hi, my name is Judy Gross, I grew up in New York City, and did not do any outdoors stuff as a kid. The past 20+ years I have lived in Houston Texas where I raised my twin boys. My sons were in Boy Scouts and I went on a lot of camping and backpack trips with them. In 1999, when they were 14 years old, we drove from Texas to the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. That’s where I first saw the sign for the Appalachian Trail. That’s when the trail started calling my name, telling me to “walk”. In 2006, having never done any thing more than one or two nights out, I set out to Thru Hike the AT. I sustained a shoulder injury in a fall that took me off the trail at about 900 miles. The following year, I went back and did a further 600 miles. I had hoped to go back and start a new Thru hike this year (2010) but my new tent business needs me more. I am planning to hike the John Muir trail this summer though. Two years ago I moved from Houston, Texas to Asheville, North Carolina when my husband retired, so most of my hiking right now is day hikes in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park, where I am working on hiking all the 800 miles of trails in the park.

Are you a lightweight/ UL backpacker? If so, what is your typical baseweight?

I am not an ultra light backpacker, and never will be, I strive to find the right balance between comfort on the trail and comfort in camp. Some things I’m just not willing to give up (like my tent). When I started the AT in 2006 my pack weight was 37 pounds (with 2 lt of water and 4 days of food). I think if I went back today it would be under 30 pounds.

What is your own favorite backpack, sleep system and shelter? Any other favourite piece of gear which you always carry with you?

I use a Granite Gear Nimbus Ozone pack, it weighs 3 pounds, but for me it is so comfortable that I don’t notice the weight, I have tried lighter packs, they just don’t carry as well for me. My sleeping bag is a Mountain Hardware 15° or 40° down bag, and my tent is of course is a LightHeart Solo tent. The fun part of the tent is I can take a different colored one each time I go out! Another item I just like for it’s convenience and not for it’s weight is the Jet Boil stove.

LightHeart Gear makes a very innovative tent, and currently it's as a Solo version available with a Duo option coming in April. Can you tell us a bit how you conceived the design, where the inspiration came from and how you decided to start the company?

Where do I start? I spent 30+ years working as a nurse in emergency rooms, and when I finally retired from that career I decided to pursue my interest and love of sewing and design. I started a small alterations business, and thought I would like to open a sewing school. During my thru hike attempt in 2006, I got really angry about the 4 ½ lb tent I was carrying. So much weight! I went home and bought a (used) single person tarp tent, but I felt very claustrophobic in it. This set me on the road to “Do Better!” My goals for a tent were; Room – I want to be able to sit up, turn around, get dressed in the tent. Simplicity of design, ease of set up, and of course light weight. I wanted my trekking poles to be the tent supports, but I wanted them tucked out of the way where they couldn’t get knocked over. I looked at many of the tents on the market to get some design ideas, and after several attempts and re-design I came up with the version of the tent now on the market.


Judy cutting out a new green tent.

My husband and I discussed the issues of going into the tent business or opening a sewing school, as you can tell, the tent business won. LightHeart Gear made its debut just 10 months ago at the Franklin North Carolina April Fools Hiker Bash. We sold 3 tents that day, and I had one lady ask if I could make her a purple tent. Customer service being such an important feature, I told her of course, and within 10 days, I met her further up the trail with a purple tent.

I think offering tents in a variety of colors gives me a special niche in this niche market. I have made tents in purple, navy blue, green, gray and I even made one in blaze orange. I have had two different women ask for one in pink, but I did talk them out of it. I just can’t see a pink tent sitting out in the woods! I now have new earth tone colors available that will blend into the woods very nicely, and in total I have 24 colors for customers to choose from.

At this time, I make each and every tent myself, I have a wonderful studio in my home where I cut out each tent individually and sew them from start to finish myself. This allows me to keep my inventory low and overhead very low. Starting up in a business like this, not knowing how the tent would be received was scary and I didn’t want to get in over my head.

Judy, we love to be let in on the work-in-progress stuff! Can you let us know what kind of new products you're working at the moment?

The Duo tent will be available in April. We are having it and the solo now manufactured for us, this will allow me to spend some time on designing a few new items. I will still make the colored versions of the solo tent myself.


The many sewing machines, these are the main ones used for the tents.

What is the most sold piece of gear from LightHeart Gear, the Solo or the Duo? Also, where do your customer come from?

So far, the ONLY piece of gear we have for sale is the Solo, but I have a lot of people asking about the Duo tent. My customers come from all over, I’ve sold 2 tents to people in Japan, and one to Holland. I’ve had inquires from several other countries, and I’ve sold tents all over the USA. People hear about me through the hiking grape vine, different internet hiking communities such as WhiteBlaze, Trail Journals, Trail Place etc.

How works the R&D at LightHeart Gear, do you have a need yourself that you try to fix, or do some of your clients inspire you for new products or ask you for solutions to their problems?

A little bit of both. The groups I hike with know what I do, and I test ideas and gear out on them. I also ask them for ideas, what would you like to see in a hiking /backpacking item? One thing I learned from this group is that it’s not just backpackers interested in smaller lighter weight gear, it’s cyclists, kayakers, & motor cyclists, they also want small, compact gear that they can fit into small saddle bags etc, most tent poles are way too long to easily take with them, so we have developed alternative, adjustable tent poles that will fold up quite small.


The sewing room with parts of the green tent on the table.

Do you think ultralight backpacking will become more popular and break into the mass market, or will it continue to be something for a small group of people?

I don’t think ultralight backpacking is for everyone, just as long distance backpacking isn’t, but for those that want it, the choices are getting better all the time. I do think it is innovative cottage industries like mine and the others you have interviewed for your blog that are making these inroads.


A double needle sewing machine making nice seams.

Are you in touch with other cottage manufacturers in Europe, the USA, Canada or other places?

LightHeart Gear is very new, but I have met several of the other “cottage industries” at Trail Days or other hiking events, and we have talked about combining our purchase power to get better deals.

Judy, I thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. Is there something you would like to add?

Hendrik, it’s been my pleasure. If you (or any of your readers) have ideas for gear items they think would be a good idea, I’m always open to suggestions.

19 Questions, comments, observations:

  1. dull... yawn...
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  2. Very telling comments so far, here are mine.

    I met her at trail days and thought she was brass and rude. She's a New Yorker for sure. (Being from Finland, you may not know that American's from New York and New Jersey are generally considered the most rude and self-centered people in America. Many actually consider themselves to be a "New Yorker" before being an "American" and thereby they also insult American patriotism. Your average American would be plenty happy if people from New York, New Jersey and California and Florida for that matter - just fell off the planet as they give hardworking and respectful Americans a bad name). She also said she was a seamstress. After looking at the quality of the tent, I wasn't impressed. The plastic piping that holds the trekking poles together is also fairly pathetic.

    And worst of all, she 100% copied the tent design.

    So basically, she's got an inferior knock-off product and she's not very nice. I'm guessing she'd get a lot more business if she changed her product and took some classes on being polite. My intent isn't to be rude or make her feel bad as she's an accomplished backpacker and I'm sure she has both her fans and others who would say differently, but this was my impression.
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  3. Hmmm. In my dealings with Judy she was polite and friendly, and quick to response as well. I'm aware that the tent design is similar to the of design of the now defunct Wanderlust gear, maybe Judy, who surely is reading here as well, can give some more comments about this?

    Otherwise I'd ask to keep the comments nice and clean. Criticism is welcome and part of a healthy conversation, though I do believe that one should in that case not hide behind an "Anonymous".
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  4. I have freely admitted here and elsewhere that this tent was modeled after other tents,

    "I looked at many of the tents on the market to get some design ideas, and after several attempts and re-design I came up with the version of the tent now on the market."

    This tent is not in any way shape or form a 100% re-do of the Nomad. It is 100% improvement on the Nomad which was a good design, but disappeared from the market. There were no patents on the design, so there was nothing to stop me from improving what I found. LightHeart Gear now has a patent pending on the new and improved ridge pole design.

    The Duo is also a knock off and 100% improved version of the Wanderlust "2 for 2" tent. In the Design world, having someone 'knockoff' your design is one of the highest forms of compliments. Kurt had some great designs, it's a shame (for him) he didn't have business practices to keep it going.

    Some people just have prejudicial ideas and like to be rude publicly to the whole world and to do it anonymously. All are welcome to their opinions.

    Judy AKA HeartFire
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  5. It's fair to give opinions but when criticising others in such a way it's rather sad that someone should hide behind anonymity. All it means is that the opinion is discredited...
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  6. I think it´s absolutey ok to use a design
    and improve on it if is not being used any
    more...

    Besides Nimblewill Nomad hiked this year with
    a cuben fibre tent sewn by a hiking buddy of mine
    that looked pretty much like the Nomad from
    Wanderlust too.

    Sauerkraut
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  7. Though I, too, am sad to see the original Wanderlust Gear go, I am equally glad that someone finally picked up what was a fantastic design and worked out problems. Now the design is available again, which it should be. The Nomad had a very large and loyal following.

    As to such a crass and ignorant statement about New Yorkers... well, it seems there are rude and self-centered people where Anonymous comes from, too. Such comments have no business being on this site.

    More power to you, Judy! And great post, Hendrik!
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  8. Not sure about patenting the ridge pole design because it is the same as the one in the Aarn Pacer 1 and 2.
    Aarn uses aluminium but otherwise the shape is the same.
    http://aarnpacks.com/products/pacer_tent_1.html
    Franco
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  9. This whole narrative makes me laugh. This is the internet - a blog nonetheless. People complain about identity when most blogs and blog comments intentionally lack just that - identity. Would it matter if the commenter said his/her name was Dmitch, Jim Bob, or Ronald? Does it matter? Are there blog police out there who are going to verify the identity? This blog is set up to allow comments and the person who commented is entitled to his/her opinion with or without giving out their home address and credit card number. Seriously people.

    And Hendrik, I must say I get a kick out of when you say stuff like "in my dealings with Judy she was polite and friendly". My guess is that you've dealt with her a grand total of once - for this interview and that you've never purchased anything from her and have never even seen her product. Nearly all of your interviews come directly from chatter that comes up on blogs and sites that we all visit. You see a topic that someone else addressed and you run out to interview them. As if that wasn't unoriginal enough, you stole this idea anyway from Lighthiker who announced it long before it was even a thought in your head.

    So everyone - please. Grow up.
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  10. Anonymous, I'm glad you're entertained. You must not look that closely at the comments, otherwise you would have noticed that the majority of readers (around 80%) use their nick or real name when commenting.

    Re: the reference to me copying Roman's idea and running out to interview people, Roman's idea was a Podcast. He hadn't blogged in a long while last year, and thus after an email exchange with Henry Shires in October I had the idea of the interviews - completely independent from Roman. I thus feel comfortable to say that there was no plagiarism or stealing an idea involved, and I do believe and hope that Roman does feel the same.

    All being said, have a look at Cameron's comment above.
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  11. Having had the pleasure of meeting Judy Gross aka"Heartfire", several times, and following her Journal on Trail Journals.com, May I suggest the person who commented about New Yorkers, and other parts of the US should be totally disregarded.

    I have a Nomad 2-4-2, and can add nothing but praise for Judy's improvements. As to her so called "attitude"...I have found her to be perhaps reserved, but very accommodating besides being a talented designer and seamstress. At the ALDHA Gathering last Oct., I wanted to try the Solo, but she had already packed things away. So she said if I'd come by in the morning, after the closing meeting, she'd have it set up for me. This no doubt delayed her departure for home, too. I was very glad to try out the tent which someone "bought" literally out from under me. Good for Judy! Anyway, I'm waiting for the Duo for a bit more room. Judy rocks!
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  12. Anonymous, I didn't know interviews was anything new and copyrighted for lighthiker!

    Judy, I am cannot see the dimensions of the tent, on your web site. I would like to see the floor dimension, when I compare it with other tents.

    I am mainly interested in the duo and am a bit concerned that it might feel tight, since it looks like you are using the same ridge pole as in Solo.
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  13. Anonymous, I didn't know interviews was anything new and copyrighted for lighthiker!

    Judy, I am cannot see the dimensions of the tent, on your web site. I would like to see the floor dimension, when I compare it with other tents.

    I am mainly interested in the duo and am a bit concerned that it might feel tight, since it looks like you are using the same ridge pole as in Solo.
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  14. Though I, too, am sad to see the original Wanderlust Gear go, I am equally glad that someone finally picked up what was a fantastic design and worked out problems. Now the design is available again, which it should be. The Nomad had a very large and loyal following.

    As to such a crass and ignorant statement about New Yorkers... well, it seems there are rude and self-centered people where Anonymous comes from, too. Such comments have no business being on this site.

    More power to you, Judy! And great post, Hendrik!
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  15. I had the pleasure of meeting Judy and her husband at their house in the Asheville, NC area today. They took time away from working on their tents to show me their various products and make sure that I would find the best one for me. Judy set up and demonstrated two different tents for me, (Solo and the new SoLong 6). I must have asked a zillion questions while I was there, but they were more than patient and gracious with me. There were many custom options available but I decided to buy a SoLong 6 that they had shown at Trail Days. It is a huge 1 person tent! It is weighing a bit under the listed 26oz, but I haven't seem sealed it yet. I'm a "big" guy(6'2" 295#), but I think that my girlfriend and I could easily both fit cozily in this tent. It is huge for just me. I look forward to doing business with Lightheart Gear in the future!
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  16. Hei Mtnbob, that sounds like pretty awesome customer service! I saw the SoLong 6 on their website a while back and thought it be great for tall folks - good to hear that you agree! Have fun with the shelter and remember: Be Smart, Go Light!
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