UL Jedis wear thick, puffy pullovers and jackets to boost the warmth rating of their quilts, because that's multiple use of items and allows us to go lighter. The
Klättermusen Loke is enhancing our warmth force field and allows us to look dangerous and sexy at the same time, and hence is the ideal UL Jedi puffy pullover.


Adventure, danger, safety = ingredients of a UL Jedi's life.
A year ago I gave you
a first, teasing look at the Klättermusen Loke. It has seen plenty of action in the forests and hills of Finland, Sweden and Russia since, and thus it is time to shed more light on this garment. *
Takes out his scale* 421 g for my Size S, after cutting off the useless adjusting strings on the hood. Klättermusen says its 370 g in a Medium, as mine is a Prototype model it is possible that they tweaked it a bit further to reduce the weight. Down weight is 95 g of finest 800+ goose down.
It has a Boxwall construction without penetrating seams, which means it is warmer than sewn-through garments which get cold spots at the seam. The arms are fairly long and I can hide my hands comfortably in them, and the elastic hem and cuffs keep the warmth in and the cold drafts out. It is made of environmentally friendly, lightweight ripstop nylon and has the shoulders and hood reinforced with stretch polyamide. It also has a good DWR coating (
PFOA free) which kept the drizzle off, very nice if you just need to go for a quick pee at night and don't want to get dressed with your hardshell.

The front can be opened well and allows for good ventilation.
So, what is so good about this puffy pullover, you ask? Well, I really, really, like the retro look of it, aka the slanted button front. Yeah yeah, function over style, for sure, but if you get both then that rocks, right? That's the reason not more people wear Dri Ducks, for example ;) Anyway. The hood is excellent, and the front closes nice high which allows you to just peek out with your eyes, the rest is protected from the cold. I like the kangaroo pocket very much, a good place to store gloves, buff, puukko, spoon and other stuff when you need your hands free. It lofts so good, it is unbelievable - even after sweating well into it, after it was left to dry it lofts again as it did on day one. Excellent. It also loses very little down, always a concern with down garments.
Bushwhacking, on the few occasions that I did that with this garment, it faired well and took no damage. The Loke packs very small and lofts quickly after unpacking, and has kept me warm in the evenings at the campfire and at night under my quilt. The hood was the main reason for me to get it, as I needed something to keep my head warm at night in my quilt. The Loke's hood does that very well, the fit is perfect and I can close the front fairly small, practical for those cold winter nights. Finally, I of course love that it is made of recycled materials and can be recycled at the end of its life - and you even get money for that! Way to go, I'd say, we need more of such initiatives.

Shoulders and hood have a more durable material, allowing you to wear it while carrying your pack and not damaging it.
The Dark Side? Well, for me things can always be lighter and have more down =) Also, that inside store-away pocket is useless and will be removed by me in the future. I just don't use it for anything, and it actually bothers me when sleeping on my belly, so it goes. The elastics on the hood went already, as they bothered me when sleeping as it pushed uncomfortably into my head and their function also was not good.

UL Master Jedi uses "The Hooded Stare™". Mind the slanted front button closure.

The pimped hood from behind.
Improvements. Well, as you can see from the not-so-good paragraph, get rid of the inside pocket, the hood elastics, and add a bit more down instead (its plenty warm, but more down is always good!). I also imagine that smaller zippers would do the job just as well as the big ones they have now - I rarely use them so you might even consider taking them out completely and putting elastics in instead.

Closer look at the kangaroo pocket zip. Also, Swedes love to put their flag on things, Klättermusen is no different there.
Bottom line? At 291€ (includes 25% Swedish VAT!) it isn't cheap. But considering that it is made of top-notch, environmentally friendly materials which are build to last (but can be recycled at the end-of-life!) I think it is worth the money. It packs small, is incredibly warm and looks as good around the campfire as in a hip bar on a Saturday night. If you think so too,
click here to find a retailer near you.

End of life? Recycle me and get money!
UL Jedis wear thick, puffy pullovers and jackets to boost the warmth rating of their quilts, because that's multiple use of items and allows us to go lighter. The
Klättermusen Loke is enhancing our warmth force field and allows us to look dangerous and sexy at the same time, and hence is the ideal UL Jedi puffy pullover.


Adventure, danger, safety = ingredients of a UL Jedi's life.
A year ago I gave you
a first, teasing look at the Klättermusen Loke. It has seen plenty of action in the forests and hills of Finland, Sweden and Russia since, and thus it is time to shed more light on this garment. *
Takes out his scale* 421 g for my Size S, after cutting off the useless adjusting strings on the hood. Klättermusen says its 370 g in a Medium, as mine is a Prototype model it is possible that they tweaked it a bit further to reduce the weight. Down weight is 95 g of finest 800+ goose down.
It has a Boxwall construction without penetrating seams, which means it is warmer than sewn-through garments which get cold spots at the seam. The arms are fairly long and I can hide my hands comfortably in them, and the elastic hem and cuffs keep the warmth in and the cold drafts out. It is made of environmentally friendly, lightweight ripstop nylon and has the shoulders and hood reinforced with stretch polyamide. It also has a good DWR coating (
PFOA free) which kept the drizzle off, very nice if you just need to go for a quick pee at night and don't want to get dressed with your hardshell.

The front can be opened well and allows for good ventilation.
So, what is so good about this puffy pullover, you ask? Well, I really, really, like the retro look of it, aka the slanted button front. Yeah yeah, function over style, for sure, but if you get both then that rocks, right? That's the reason not more people wear Dri Ducks, for example ;) Anyway. The hood is excellent, and the front closes nice high which allows you to just peek out with your eyes, the rest is protected from the cold. I like the kangaroo pocket very much, a good place to store gloves, buff, puukko, spoon and other stuff when you need your hands free. It lofts so good, it is unbelievable - even after sweating well into it, after it was left to dry it lofts again as it did on day one. Excellent. It also loses very little down, always a concern with down garments.
Bushwhacking, on the few occasions that I did that with this garment, it faired well and took no damage. The Loke packs very small and lofts quickly after unpacking, and has kept me warm in the evenings at the campfire and at night under my quilt. The hood was the main reason for me to get it, as I needed something to keep my head warm at night in my quilt. The Loke's hood does that very well, the fit is perfect and I can close the front fairly small, practical for those cold winter nights. Finally, I of course love that it is made of recycled materials and can be recycled at the end of its life - and you even get money for that! Way to go, I'd say, we need more of such initiatives.

Shoulders and hood have a more durable material, allowing you to wear it while carrying your pack and not damaging it.
The Dark Side? Well, for me things can always be lighter and have more down =) Also, that inside store-away pocket is useless and will be removed by me in the future. I just don't use it for anything, and it actually bothers me when sleeping on my belly, so it goes. The elastics on the hood went already, as they bothered me when sleeping as it pushed uncomfortably into my head and their function also was not good.

UL Master Jedi uses "The Hooded Stare™". Mind the slanted front button closure.

The pimped hood from behind.
Improvements. Well, as you can see from the not-so-good paragraph, get rid of the inside pocket, the hood elastics, and add a bit more down instead (its plenty warm, but more down is always good!). I also imagine that smaller zippers would do the job just as well as the big ones they have now - I rarely use them so you might even consider taking them out completely and putting elastics in instead.

Closer look at the kangaroo pocket zip. Also, Swedes love to put their flag on things, Klättermusen is no different there.
Bottom line? At 291€ (includes 25% Swedish VAT!) it isn't cheap. But considering that it is made of top-notch, environmentally friendly materials which are build to last (but can be recycled at the end-of-life!) I think it is worth the money. It packs small, is incredibly warm and looks as good around the campfire as in a hip bar on a Saturday night. If you think so too,
click here to find a retailer near you.

End of life? Recycle me and get money!
Klättermusen Loke Review
Coincidently I was in Aviemore this morning and tried on some Klättermusen down kit.
ReplyDeleteI really like the Liv, as I don’t need a hood as on your Loke….but as I have three down vests and a down jacket…and one of the vests is one I bought in Canada in 1973 I really don’t need another down garment….buy good kit in your twenties and still use it in ones sixties!!! but they are nice and well….perhaps we will see!!!!!!!!!!!
Hendrik you said “Bottom line? At 291€ (includes 25% Swedish VAT!) it isn't cheap.”....
Quality costs but it lasts….buy cheap and you buy two maybe three or more times.
Cheers,
Rob fae Craigellachie
Hendrik, never tried this brand, but I like the hood and the reinforced material on the shoulders. 291 Euros I think that is a round £240 -it is quite expensive. I have The PHD Minimus jacket, an excellent jacket. 800 fill down weighs 360g (-5C temp rating)£170. It does not have such a good hood or reinforced shoulders,so I guess that could account for the extra £70 for these features on the Loke.
ReplyDelete25% VAT - ouch! Still in the UK we will be at 20% next year.
Mark
talk about hip bars :)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.latfh.com/
I guess those jackets wont ever come in b-i-g sizes nor in O.D Green or even black ?
Thats a shame,i could use some down jacket u know.
Really nice review again!
ReplyDeleteI take my hat off to people doing reviews about the gear they have really used instead of quick first looks - or even better in addition to quick first looks. A year is good time to get to know the gear so you can really say something about the quality. But then on the other hand, sometimes you can tell a lot allready from the first looks...
(And btw at least PHD Minimus vest made great impression on first looks!)
I might have over estimated my need for down... My new jacket has about 700g of 750cuin (European) down in it. =D I am going sadly towards heavy weight class. Maybe I have to change my name.
Dangerous AND sexy?!
ReplyDeleteI envy your Loke pullover based solely on aesthetics alone. The color looks tastefully faded, truly vintage, probably what I like most about it in your review. It's a far cry from the "techy" appearance of what's available to us over here in the US (ie. Pata, TNF, etc.). I thought the verdict was out on sewn-thru baffling vs. non-sewn thru? Wasn't there a BPL Richard Nisley thread debunking this thought on sewn-thru being thermally less efficient? Just curious. Do you find yourself hiking with a pack on in the Loke? I swelter in my Montbell UL Down parka just pitching my tarp at camp, couldn't imagine hiking in it. I do see the reinforced shoulders of your Loke to be a nice touch, just not sure how beneficial it is for the UL hiker on the move. Perhaps it's safe to say the Loke balances in-town everyday functionality along with a healthy dose of outdoor prowess. Great read Hendrik, looking forward to your beautiful winter wonderland photo essays and trip reports
ReplyDeletethats very expensive for a jacket with 3.35 oz of down fill ... basically $400
ReplyDeletecomparable or better 800+ fill jackets would be
MB Alpine Down Light Parka ... $185 ... 15.7 oz ...4.3 oz down
EB First Ascent Down Hoodie Pullover ... $189 ... 13.8 oz ... roughly around 4oz down fill
WM Flash XCR ... $300 ... 11 oz ... 3.5 oz down
Brook Range Mountain Anarok ... $269 ... 12.6 oz ... 5.2 oz down
every single one of the above had more down and are cheaper ... several are lighter as well
im sure there are more ...
Thanks for this nice review, Hendrik.
ReplyDeleteI'm still looking for some warm clothes for me and my wife for the upcoming winter. So this review was very well timed. Will have a look at this jacket and on the others mentioned by the other commentators of your blog.
May the down be with you!
Rob, that's amazing to hear, that you use garments some nearly forty years old - excellent! I am with you with the "buy quality once" principle, I rather save to buy quality instead of buying rubbish a couple of times.
ReplyDeleteMark, PHD makes fine kit, but similarly expensive as Klättermusen. Mind. without the VAT of 25% it is "only" 232,80€ as a Retail price (VAT 0%) in Sweden. I have no idea what the price would be in the UK or USA, but reckon that you could find them cheaper - we here in the Nordics have high VAT (Finland 23%).
Perkuna, lol! They make the jacket in black, of course! I just got it in red, hunting season and such, ya know ;)
Lightening up, it seems many review stuff they haven't yet used but just pitched in the garden or similar. The reason for that is that many folks want to know immediately how something is, and can't wait till a proper test is conducted! Anyway. I do first looks usually after using the item for a few days/ nights and then tell my opinion about it, and then the review after some serious long-term use. 700 g of down should be fine in Spitzbergen ;)
James, indeed!
Eugene, nice to see you drop by & comment =) I haven't read the said BPL article, though just from memory I remember to have seen somewhere thermo images of sewn-thru & non-sewn-thru and the latter was warmer? I could be wrong. Also a good point on the need for reinforced material - I use the Loke in civil life a lot, and the shopping backpack (a Haglöfs Tight Pro) can be loaded wit up to 12 or more kilogram of groceries, where the reinforced shoulders come in handy. Maybe not needed in a perfect UL world. Regarding wearing it while walking, at 0°C a bit too warm, but just fine at -10°C or more! Good point on it being a good balance of town & trail functionality and looks (I like the colour heaps as well =)!
ewc28, quality has its price, and Klättermusen ain't cheap to begin with. Also, I don't know what the Loke wold cost in the US - I can not imagine selling it over there for 400$. In comparison with the mentioned products, the Loke is also made from environmentally friendly products (e.g. recycled nylon), something for which I and others are very happy to pay a premium. And while the mentioned jackets might be cheaper and have more down, it is also about the construction and down used - you can put 120 g of down in a jacket, but if it is "only" 650+ quality then 95 g of 800+ quality will be warmer and better. Anyway, thanks for the list.
Basti, may the down be with you and your wife as well!
henrik .... all the above use 800+ fill down ... and all have been tested by BPL
ReplyDeleteEB First Ascent Downlight is used by many on BPL and was tested by them with a recommended rating.
Montbell has been used by ULs for years and again have been tested by BPL
Brooks Range again was tested by BPL and found to be the warmest of all their tested product in their recent comparison
No on doubts the quality of western mountaineering down of their construction
800 fill jackets no longer command a premium price ...
And about premium produts with premiun price.
ReplyDeletePHD has nowdays some insane 900+ fillpower (European standard) down! That is premium down, and costs a premium price. But with it you can - for example - save 10g from the weight of down mittens. ;) Or real numbers from bigger pieces of gear and even make them warmer at the same time.
But I like Klättermusen looks and enviromentally oriented marketing. And it seems that is enough reasons for them to keep a little premium in their pricing.
Great review! Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI doubt that they have my size though. (XLT) :P
Have you flown to Macchu Picchu or Great Zimbabwe to take these pics?!?!
ReplyDeleteStones are huge!!
Have you flown to Macchu Picchu or Great Zimbabwe to take these pics?!?!
ReplyDeleteStones are huge!!
henrik .... all the above use 800+ fill down ... and all have been tested by BPL
ReplyDeleteEB First Ascent Downlight is used by many on BPL and was tested by them with a recommended rating.
Montbell has been used by ULs for years and again have been tested by BPL
Brooks Range again was tested by BPL and found to be the warmest of all their tested product in their recent comparison
No on doubts the quality of western mountaineering down of their construction
800 fill jackets no longer command a premium price ...
Thanks for this nice review, Hendrik.
ReplyDeleteI'm still looking for some warm clothes for me and my wife for the upcoming winter. So this review was very well timed. Will have a look at this jacket and on the others mentioned by the other commentators of your blog.
May the down be with you!
Rob, that's amazing to hear, that you use garments some nearly forty years old - excellent! I am with you with the "buy quality once" principle, I rather save to buy quality instead of buying rubbish a couple of times.
ReplyDeleteMark, PHD makes fine kit, but similarly expensive as Klättermusen. Mind. without the VAT of 25% it is "only" 232,80€ as a Retail price (VAT 0%) in Sweden. I have no idea what the price would be in the UK or USA, but reckon that you could find them cheaper - we here in the Nordics have high VAT (Finland 23%).
Perkuna, lol! They make the jacket in black, of course! I just got it in red, hunting season and such, ya know ;)
Lightening up, it seems many review stuff they haven't yet used but just pitched in the garden or similar. The reason for that is that many folks want to know immediately how something is, and can't wait till a proper test is conducted! Anyway. I do first looks usually after using the item for a few days/ nights and then tell my opinion about it, and then the review after some serious long-term use. 700 g of down should be fine in Spitzbergen ;)
James, indeed!
Eugene, nice to see you drop by & comment =) I haven't read the said BPL article, though just from memory I remember to have seen somewhere thermo images of sewn-thru & non-sewn-thru and the latter was warmer? I could be wrong. Also a good point on the need for reinforced material - I use the Loke in civil life a lot, and the shopping backpack (a Haglöfs Tight Pro) can be loaded wit up to 12 or more kilogram of groceries, where the reinforced shoulders come in handy. Maybe not needed in a perfect UL world. Regarding wearing it while walking, at 0°C a bit too warm, but just fine at -10°C or more! Good point on it being a good balance of town & trail functionality and looks (I like the colour heaps as well =)!
ewc28, quality has its price, and Klättermusen ain't cheap to begin with. Also, I don't know what the Loke wold cost in the US - I can not imagine selling it over there for 400$. In comparison with the mentioned products, the Loke is also made from environmentally friendly products (e.g. recycled nylon), something for which I and others are very happy to pay a premium. And while the mentioned jackets might be cheaper and have more down, it is also about the construction and down used - you can put 120 g of down in a jacket, but if it is "only" 650+ quality then 95 g of 800+ quality will be warmer and better. Anyway, thanks for the list.
Basti, may the down be with you and your wife as well!