I
have used and written (
and videotaped) a lot about backpacks, and
there is more to come. And while all those rucksacks are great I feel that I have yet to find the one rucksack which does it all.

My black silnylon huckePACK certainly sees a lot of action.
The UL philosophy is something I not only apply to backpacking and gear, but also to my everyday live. I don't want to have five different packs, I want one which does it all - and I know I'm
not alone with that want. And while the thought and possibilities are there for this want to be fulfilled, I am not certain if it is feasible.
The main problem is the different activities I exercise - backpacking, day hiking, packrafting, climbing, skiing, snowshoeing, travelling, grocery shopping and soon bikepacking - which all have different requirements for a pack - or lets say I have different requirements for different activities. For bikepacking I only want a minimal pack which holds a water reservoir, for climbing I want a bombproof pack which I can throw down a wall if necessary, for packrafting it needs to be 100% waterproof and carry my packraft, skiing and snowshoeing packs need to be able to withstand -40°C and carry the gear, a day hiking pack doesn't need to be bigger than 20 liters and a backpacking pack should be flexible enough to carry volumes between 25 and 60 liters.

The DXG huckePACK also has seen a lot of different trips.
You see, many different needs, and while all those needs could be rolled into one pack, it would be one pack which wouldn't be as efficient as more specialized packs for their different needs.
Ein Teufelskreis!
However, I decided that it needs to be possible to minimize the amount of packs to two which cover the different activities and needs. This will still include certain trade-offs, but I'd be happy to have less stuff flying around the house and live a more minimalistic life. The main difficultly will be to find the right volume and feature set. I dislike too big packs with lots of empty space, and while for example the GoLite comPACKtor system is a good idea and works well, I still am not 100% happy with it.
So two packs to rule them all, what would be their requirements? The smaller pack probably will have less than 35 liters volume, no hipbelts (I haven't used a hipbelt in months and find them increasingly annoying - with an UL payload you don't need a hipbelt, in my opinion), no frame, and very limited extras. I am quickly getting rid of hipbelt pockets, things which I hailed as the best thing since M's Banana cake, and also am decreasingly relying on sidepockets. Yes, they're useful, but often I could just as well use the front pocket - which I'd keep. Trailpole holders would remain, and a ULA Ohm like compression system needs to be on board. S-Shaped shoulder straps and a removable sternum strap, with one hose exit would round out this pack. Usage for this pack would be bikepacking, day hiking, week long work, travel and backpacking trips, climbing, skiing & snowshoeing (day trips only) as well as grocery shopping (My dedicated grocery shopping backpack is a
Haglöfs Tight Evo - excellent pack but too heavy!). If it be fairly water resistant and durable enough to bushwack and slide down a granite wall, that be perfect, thanks.
Pack number two would be for the seriously long trips of seven plus days in summer as well as winter, for packrafting and climbing trips which need some walking in. It should carry skis, snowshoes, ice axes and
a 60m rope, have a volume of 55+ liters, be frameless (Yeah, frameless. Against the current trend of requiring stays in every goddamn backpack I think frameless packs are the way to go. Learn to pack your pack correctly and you don't need stays), no hip or sidepockets, an ULA Ohm-like compression system, carry a packraft in a comfortable manner
*, a hipbelt which easily folds out of the way and some of the before mentioned features (S-Shaped shoulder straps, removable sternum strap, one hose exit, front pocket) as well as a lid pocket. Again fairly water resistant and durable while being lightweight. In short,
die Eierlegende Wollmilchsau.
Briefly on material, the options are to go with the wonderful light, not very wonderful oil-based materials of Dyneema, Cuben, XPac, Silnylon et al. or look for more environmentally friendly yet light materials. EtaProof, linen, silk all come to my mind, and while they have shortcomings, it is all a trade-off in the end. I more and more tend to think in the environmentally friendly, slightly heavier material direction - which is the opposite of where the industry is going (with exception of
Klättermusen). Maybe it is time I enter the market myself?
Do these packs exist? No.
Some do get close but none I have used or seen yet are what I want to fulfill all needs and wants. My needs, that is. Your needs might be completely different, and you also might be happy to have ten plus backpacks at home, one for every option - which in itself is an UL principle - take the appropriate gear for the given trip. Bit of a paradox there, right? Ah well. While Colin Ibbotson's
Tramplite packs with interchangeable skins look like they could fulfill my need, they have a frame, too much volume for me and would come with extra parts to swap around - again something I'd like to avoid. Also, October is a long time away, so the search and sewing continues.
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*The ULA Epic is a good packraft carrying pack. A problem, which I will explain in detail in a future review of the pack, is that the packraft is carried at an too low point. The packraft should be carried pretty much slightly above your hips and close to the back so that its weight isn't hanging around your ass. While this is possible the pack is designed to carry the packraft too far down, and carring it higher involves some smart packing.
I
have used and written (
and videotaped) a lot about backpacks, and
there is more to come. And while all those rucksacks are great I feel that I have yet to find the one rucksack which does it all.

My black silnylon huckePACK certainly sees a lot of action.
The UL philosophy is something I not only apply to backpacking and gear, but also to my everyday live. I don't want to have five different packs, I want one which does it all - and I know I'm
not alone with that want. And while the thought and possibilities are there for this want to be fulfilled, I am not certain if it is feasible.
The main problem is the different activities I exercise - backpacking, day hiking, packrafting, climbing, skiing, snowshoeing, travelling, grocery shopping and soon bikepacking - which all have different requirements for a pack - or lets say I have different requirements for different activities. For bikepacking I only want a minimal pack which holds a water reservoir, for climbing I want a bombproof pack which I can throw down a wall if necessary, for packrafting it needs to be 100% waterproof and carry my packraft, skiing and snowshoeing packs need to be able to withstand -40°C and carry the gear, a day hiking pack doesn't need to be bigger than 20 liters and a backpacking pack should be flexible enough to carry volumes between 25 and 60 liters.

The DXG huckePACK also has seen a lot of different trips.
You see, many different needs, and while all those needs could be rolled into one pack, it would be one pack which wouldn't be as efficient as more specialized packs for their different needs.
Ein Teufelskreis!
However, I decided that it needs to be possible to minimize the amount of packs to two which cover the different activities and needs. This will still include certain trade-offs, but I'd be happy to have less stuff flying around the house and live a more minimalistic life. The main difficultly will be to find the right volume and feature set. I dislike too big packs with lots of empty space, and while for example the GoLite comPACKtor system is a good idea and works well, I still am not 100% happy with it.
So two packs to rule them all, what would be their requirements? The smaller pack probably will have less than 35 liters volume, no hipbelts (I haven't used a hipbelt in months and find them increasingly annoying - with an UL payload you don't need a hipbelt, in my opinion), no frame, and very limited extras. I am quickly getting rid of hipbelt pockets, things which I hailed as the best thing since M's Banana cake, and also am decreasingly relying on sidepockets. Yes, they're useful, but often I could just as well use the front pocket - which I'd keep. Trailpole holders would remain, and a ULA Ohm like compression system needs to be on board. S-Shaped shoulder straps and a removable sternum strap, with one hose exit would round out this pack. Usage for this pack would be bikepacking, day hiking, week long work, travel and backpacking trips, climbing, skiing & snowshoeing (day trips only) as well as grocery shopping (My dedicated grocery shopping backpack is a
Haglöfs Tight Evo - excellent pack but too heavy!). If it be fairly water resistant and durable enough to bushwack and slide down a granite wall, that be perfect, thanks.
Pack number two would be for the seriously long trips of seven plus days in summer as well as winter, for packrafting and climbing trips which need some walking in. It should carry skis, snowshoes, ice axes and
a 60m rope, have a volume of 55+ liters, be frameless (Yeah, frameless. Against the current trend of requiring stays in every goddamn backpack I think frameless packs are the way to go. Learn to pack your pack correctly and you don't need stays), no hip or sidepockets, an ULA Ohm-like compression system, carry a packraft in a comfortable manner
*, a hipbelt which easily folds out of the way and some of the before mentioned features (S-Shaped shoulder straps, removable sternum strap, one hose exit, front pocket) as well as a lid pocket. Again fairly water resistant and durable while being lightweight. In short,
die Eierlegende Wollmilchsau.
Briefly on material, the options are to go with the wonderful light, not very wonderful oil-based materials of Dyneema, Cuben, XPac, Silnylon et al. or look for more environmentally friendly yet light materials. EtaProof, linen, silk all come to my mind, and while they have shortcomings, it is all a trade-off in the end. I more and more tend to think in the environmentally friendly, slightly heavier material direction - which is the opposite of where the industry is going (with exception of
Klättermusen). Maybe it is time I enter the market myself?
Do these packs exist? No.
Some do get close but none I have used or seen yet are what I want to fulfill all needs and wants. My needs, that is. Your needs might be completely different, and you also might be happy to have ten plus backpacks at home, one for every option - which in itself is an UL principle - take the appropriate gear for the given trip. Bit of a paradox there, right? Ah well. While Colin Ibbotson's
Tramplite packs with interchangeable skins look like they could fulfill my need, they have a frame, too much volume for me and would come with extra parts to swap around - again something I'd like to avoid. Also, October is a long time away, so the search and sewing continues.
----
*The ULA Epic is a good packraft carrying pack. A problem, which I will explain in detail in a future review of the pack, is that the packraft is carried at an too low point. The packraft should be carried pretty much slightly above your hips and close to the back so that its weight isn't hanging around your ass. While this is possible the pack is designed to carry the packraft too far down, and carring it higher involves some smart packing.
One Rucksack To Rule Them All
Watch Ryan J. for some pack developments. Of course both will have some type of frame. For a long trip with no resupply (even as little as 2 full weeks), a frameless pack won't be comfortable no matter how well you pack it. Most people don't take trips like this though, which is why there are so many frameless packs and very few properly designed sub 2 pound packs with frames.
ReplyDeleteI'm aware that Ryan is doing something, and so is Colin ;) But I don't need a frame, even for two weeks. Having carried 17 kg in a frameless pack without a lack of comfort, I don't agree - it is possible.
ReplyDeleteI agree that two packs is doable. Right now my pack quiver is really overflowing.
ReplyDeleteOnce you start riding technical singletrack you'll want a hipbelt on the small pack.
....... One Rucksack to find them,One Rucksack to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. (Scary stuff !!!)
ReplyDeleteI agree with DaveC above. A hipbelt is necessary when riding singletrack to keep the rucksack from bouncing around from side to side.
ReplyDeleteYour post echoes my recent thoughts when I open my gear closet and rummage through half a dozen packs. I think you have the split right (one 35l minimalist pack, one ULA Epic style although I think I'd still like to have a sub 20l day/run/bike pack) but it looks like the custom route is the only viable option for those of us who lack the requisite sewing skills. Good luck in your quest Mr Froddo!
ReplyDeleteHej Hendrik,
ReplyDeleteAs for the small one I can strongly recommend the huckePÄCKchen. Those uses you've listet are indeed the same ones I had in mind when choosing this pack! And that's why I ordered it in full DXG rather than Cuben/ SilNylon. It's now my favourite EDC pack and I've never been so pleased with any pack before! (Not even with it's big brother, my huckePACK!) I take it everyday to University, use it for shopping, taking it on a stroll through the woods and even some shorter trips!
And for cycling you can atach the bellystrap or leave it!
For the second pack it's indeed a little more difficult...
And unfortunately I've got no answer for you in this point.
But I wish you good luck on your quest for the pack to rule them all!
I need 3: small, medium an large. i got small (25l, school an day-trips) an large (55+15l), and for summer hikes up to a week I would really like to have a hornet 46 (osprey). saw this pack online an feel like it would be perfect for me. only available in the US :(
ReplyDeletekinda sad, it looks like a really nice an light back with lots of mesh. you reviewed the hornet 32 quite positively as well, and the 46 with around 600g. would be awesome for summer trips (maybe winter as well)
Sure, you can carry all the weight you want in a frameless pack. 35+ lbs will not be comfortable though. Maybe tolerable to varying degrees, but not comfortable (at least not as most people would define it). Of course, I don't see 35+ lbs being comfortable period now.
ReplyDelete"Once you start riding technical singletrack you'll want a hipbelt on the small pack.". I second that.
ReplyDeleteIf you use an Epic style pack, maybe use two stuff sacks instead of one such that the pack raft can be put in the middle at the location you desire?
BTW. I totally embrace thoughts about modularity as well as owning less stuff/crap. Mush too much writing in this circle of blogs and on this blog are about things that must be
owned, rather then
on ideas to use it on a averred Tuesday.
Looking forward to see your choice of bike though.
Unfortunately the part of the poem, that no one is referring, is "Nine rucksacks for the mortal men..." One rucksacks might be enough for gods who craft them... and three enough for immortal elves with god-like skills in craftsmanship...
ReplyDeleteFor a while my goal has been that I'd get away with three different outdoor gear each (i.e. three rucksacks, three stoves, three quilts/bags, etc.) With some stuff it is easier and with some stuff it is harder. The hardest part is to give up and make compromises. It was said on some marketing material that "with experience comes discriminating taste" but it seems also that with experience comes an urge to simplify and concentrate on other things than gear. And that one is a hard combination to crack. I know people who happily use a 110 liter Ortlieb X-tremer, be it an overnighter or several weeks long hiking expedition or packrafting. I'm not yet on that level, neither my mind or my shoulders, but maybe that's the direction?
For me the weight is not the most important factor. It's nice to have lightweight gear but more important is that it is functional (includes durability) and - should I be shamed to admit - aesthetically tolerable. The feel does matter. At the moment I'm considering selling my Osprey Aether and keeping Golite Pinancle as my only bigger rucksack. My smaller sack atm is Osprey Talon 33 but that is an unsatisfying compromise. I might want something tad bigger and simpler and something smaller and very light for competion-like use...
"
The Search goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.Now far ahead the Search has gone,And I must continue, if I can - -"
"Once you start riding technical singletrack you'll want a hipbelt on the small pack."
ReplyDeleteI too agree with DaveC and Steffen.
And this is also true when you start doing proper downhill skiing, and in many cases when you carry your climbing stuff to the wall (but not during the climb itself).
/ Karl
I am amazed that there is this disbelief that it shouldn't be possible for me to carry 17 kg comfortably in a frameless pack. First Will, now you - have you been drinking his KoolAid?! Be careful, soon you start to demand stays ;)
ReplyDelete17 kg isn't awesome if you're used to 8 kg, sure, but for long, remote trips it is the only possibility. The way you pack your pack has an influence on it, and as the biggest part is food and water it is decreasing daily, so after a few days it enteres the super-comfy zone again!
Yeah, with the SOTMR you're doing I believe that. Did you take that over from Will or does he do something different?
ReplyDeleteI'll start with relaxed bikepacking and then see down the line about technical singletrack ;)
Totally! I might feel lonely then, not being surrounded by a dozen of packs :D
ReplyDeleteLegolas, please ;)
ReplyDeleteLets not talk about quilts and sleeping bags and stoves and stuff!
I think Colin's might be an ULA Epic style pack which gives a lot of possibilities, I just am really not sure if I want/ need a frame. I'm perfectly happy with burrito frames.
I think you should be able to get the Hornet 46 in the UK or in Germany. I try to send you a link later, if I find one =)
ReplyDeleteRe: Packing the EPic, that's the way to go, yes.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I ever said/ wrote that one needs to own something I reviewed? And would you explain a bit more what you mean by "rather then
on ideas to use it on a averred Tuesday."? Then I could try to realize that =)
Now we're getting to the truth. Yes, after you eat 10 lbs of food, a frameless pack beginning with 35+ lbs *starts* to get comfortable again. You just have to be willing to accept some (maybe a lot of) discomfort initially (see Arctic 1000 trip). I'm less and less willing to accept the tradeoff when I can carry a few ounces extra for a lot more comfort (YMMV). The goal is going further while being comfortable, not going as light as possible. :-)
ReplyDeleteWill seems to think stays should be added to everything. I don't want a pack where they were added post design. It does more harm than good.
Thanks for an good article.
ReplyDeleteHow do you attatch your skis to your backpack? - I haven't managed to find a decent way to attach them to the standard webbing in the side of the backpack, because my legs will then hit the skis when I am walking. I have seen that on some of the dedicated ski-backpacks they have straps for putting them diagonal on the backpack - But I dont want to own another backpack, so I was thinking about sewing on some extra straps, but wan'ted to hear if there was other ideas.
lol at
ReplyDelete"Nine rucksacks for the mortal men..."
I'm in the Elven Class, so two should totally be possible and feasible. All my packs, and especially the LAUFBURSCHE packs, are aesthetically pleasing =) But I miss some features on them in order to minimize the need for more packs. And as for a 110 pack for overnighters, no thanks, that certainly isn't the direction.
And the search goes on.
Hi Hendrik.
ReplyDeleteJust for info. Osprey Europe are not selling the Hornet 46 in the UK.
Nah. The truth is that also XX kg can be comfortable in a frameless pack. I yet have to see a framed pack that carries more comfortable than a frameless. There's always some trade-offs. Maybe @bigskyry really is on to something with his new design, and also HMG is working on something interesting. Until I have tried it, however, I am sceptical and prefer to carry a framless pack. YMMV!
ReplyDeleteHei Karl, as I said to @17b9bf00696b5119205010b6d0702d33:disqus - I will start with bikepacking and then see about technical singletrack down the line.
ReplyDeleteDownhill skiing in Finland? For those few 500 m hills I don't need a hipbelt. Damn, as a teenager I was snowboarding in the Alps with my Eastpack on, not even a sternum strap that thing had and it did fine =)
Hoi Peter, thanks for commenting! I am thinking about just such a diagonal attachment, or to combine it with the side compression system so that the skis go on the side. That would allow me to carry them high enough so that they don't hit the legs when walking.
ReplyDeleteThanks Alan. A quick search showed that they're also not available in Germany :/
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking the Golite Pinnacle is one of the most versatile and "complete" packs out there. It's got great capacity, it's affordable, the dyneema x is very durable, it's got a great track record, the compaktor system and the compression straps makes it easy to adjust down in size and volume when needed and the newer models have hipbelt pockets which I would miss dearly if it didn't have them. It's not waterproof, but a dry bag or similar as a pack liner takes care of that. Some people thinks it is too heavy, but maybe that's the price to be paid to only use one pack. Can't believe that I sold mine ;).
ReplyDeleteI'm with Hendrik Morkel in this one. I've carried packs like Golite Jam and Pinnacle with load between 16-20kg, daily distances up to 43km and that is not especially bad (except 43km on paved road in less than 8 hours). With a CCF pad frame you get some rigidity and can carry part of the weight on hips. I find every rucksack somewhat distracting but rarely so much that it would be highly uncomfortable. I think that the physical strain is at least to some extent part of the fun, otherwise I'd be sitting on sofa watching TV.
ReplyDeleteAh yes, for Finland you don't really have a chance ski downhill, so you might not need a hipbelt.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise, for proper skiing/boarding (not on a piste) I think a hipbelt or sternum strap of sorts is needed to keep the pack from moving too much.
Reading all the comments here, I have a feeling it's all down to personal tastes. Which means there is no such thing as a right or wrong way regarding hipbelts, only different preferences.
Yes, i have no memory of you claiming anyone should own
ReplyDeleteor purchase anything you've reviewed. It is more an impression I get from reading about all these "things", about having multiple things that more or less do the same thing. So what i mean by ideas on using outdoor gear on an average Tuesday, is fx regarding using a day pack for grocery shopping. I mean, i live most my life in the city. and i want to reuse any out door gear in the city if it at all makes sense. I that way i can own less things in total. Hence that kind of thought is always present when i look for things.
Can one carry a kid in and epic style pack?
Henrik, I think you mentioning the eco friendly way is very important. In a not so far future the 'oil party' is over, peak oil you know. So we have to go back to more 'natural' stuff, if we get a chance ... Greetings from Fred
ReplyDeleteWill's doing the frameless SOTM. I'm doing a series on bikepacking, with one article on small "action" packs.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, Jack of all trade master in none?
ReplyDeleteWhen will you post something about the Bearski trip? I'm waiting for it.
Cheers!
Sorry about a late contribution, I've been interrailing in Europe. :)
ReplyDeleteInteresting and important article, I also suffer from backpack-exitement, for me, the backpack is the most sexy piece of kit and I just want em all. But at the same time, Less Is More and sustainability. I think it's lame to see yourself as a outdoors person and at the same time consume so much gear. Therefore, I think three packs should be the limit, two if your not exercising. For me, it's the Haglöfs Endurance 12l, Thight L 30l, Haglöfs Rand 28+8l and the Osprey Exos 58. The Tight is like 15 yrs old though and the Rand is just too over-engineered for my needs, Exos is good, but I always fear for all the mesh...
Q. HuckePack. Small or big one? You have a Tight Evo for daily use, at which it excels - proved by the huge amount of tight packs in scandinavia. :) So, can the HuckePack double, triple, as overnighter, daypack and daily multi-use, i.e. shopping, carrying stuff to work/school etc...
Q. How about a drybag-pack, ULA Epic, Granite Gear Vapor Flatbed... If any pack would do it al, it would have to be such a bag. Don't have any experience though, but you do. Sadly I haven't been able to find any such pack, easily offered in Europe.
Hope someone still sees this post.
oh, and the ultimate book tip.
ReplyDeleteYvon Chuinards Let my people go surfing.
Read it during my trip, just blew my mind.
Hei Daniel, good excuse for being late to the party! Hope you had a fine time in Europe.
ReplyDeleteA1: The huckePACK can double as an overnighter, daypack and shopping/ multiuse pack, I am sure. Maybe should give it a try when I later go shopping =) A2: The ULA Epic is a fine pack, some things I don't like too much, but other than that certainly a good solution for most. I just wonder if it would be possible to design something like it without a frame. If you want, I could loan it to you at some point, if you're similar in size and you think it would suit you (I'm 175 cm and have a large pack).
Yves' book is on my must-read list since a while, maybe it is time I go an buy the book!
Do do the shopping test (Huckepack). Next would be the airport handler test. Then it would be both functional and bomproof certified. :)
ReplyDeleteI'll keep your Epic proposition in mind. That also means I should plan some kayak/backpacking trip. I'll come back to you in that case and see if it's available. I'm also roughly 175 long so it should fit, usually use M's though.
Thanks and have a good day.
I know what you mean about not quite finding the right pack, there's always something you don't need or something you do that's missing. Have you considered listing the specifications for the perfect MorkelPack? There are are enough of your readers handy at making gear that I'm sure you could have a prototype made to your specifications. Who knows it might be the next big thing? The ULAZPack anyone?
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